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Mon Oct 5 16:03:42 EDT 2009
Hi Michael!
I took a quick look at your account settings, and it appears to me
that you have been successful in turning off your digest mode.
If you get this message by itself, instead as part of a digest, that
would confirm the change.
There have been at least half a dozen message to the list today, so
you should also have individual messages for each of them.
If you haven't been successful, then all these message will come to
you as an end of day digest. If you find that true today, please post
back to the list and we'll look into it deeper.
But I suspect all is as you wish at the moment.
Michael Yang wrote, On 10/05/2009 1:32 PM:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to subscribe with each message for each post, instead of
> digest mode. How can I do it? I didn't find the appropriate option in my
> account. The only related option I found is the "disabling digest mode
> subscription", but it doesn't tell if each individual message will be
> sent to subscriber.
>
> Thanks for your help.
> Michael.
>
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> 1. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time? (Rashkae)
> 2. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time?
> (Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List Account))
> 3. Re: DVCS advice needed (Kyle Spaans)
> 4. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time? (Khalid Baheyeldin)
> 5. Re: Why does Gnome gets slow over time? (unsolicited)
> 6. The browser as the desktop (Khalid Baheyeldin)
> 7. Re: DVCS advice needed (Darcy Casselman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:06:42 -0400
> From: Rashkae <rashkae at tigershaunt.com <mailto:rashkae at tigershaunt.com>>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>>
> Message-ID: <4AC946A2.8010305 at tigershaunt.com
> <mailto:4AC946A2.8010305 at tigershaunt.com>>
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> Raul Suarez wrote:
>
> >> Does it help OpenOffice (2.4) open quicker?
> > I think so.
> >
> > Raul Suarez
> >
> >
>
> It shouldn't help anything open quicker unless you have some rogue
> setting fouling things up. If you suspect something is queer with your
> config files, or just want to try for curiosity, you should just create
> a new user and log in as that user. If your applications are suddenly
> noticeably more responsive, then certainly you can experiment with
> zapping configuration files/directories until you find the culprit.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 06:18:11 -0400
> From: "Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List Account)" <aklists at mixdown.ca
> <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca>>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?
> To: kwlug-disc at kwlug.org <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
> Message-ID: <200910050618.12248.aklists at mixdown.ca
> <mailto:200910050618.12248.aklists at mixdown.ca>>
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> On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> > default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad habit). KDE
>
> Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen windows
> open!
>
> -A.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:21:10 -0400
> From: Kyle Spaans <3lucid at gmail.com <mailto:3lucid at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] DVCS advice needed
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>>
> Message-ID:
> <5a1205b30910050621u4b5a536ehce1a250fc563bd66 at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:5a1205b30910050621u4b5a536ehce1a250fc563bd66 at mail.gmail.com>>
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>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Adam Glauser <adamglauser at gmail.com
> <mailto:adamglauser at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I have recently joined a small team of developers working on a
> proprietary
> > C#/ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> application.
>
> I assume this means that the majority of the group will be doing
> their primary
> development in Windows? Until very recently, that has meant that Git
> wasn't a
> very good option for Windows users (changed with
> http://code.google.com/p/msysgit/). I haven't used either Bazaar or
> Hg, but
> I hear they have very good Windows clients. I also don't use an IDE
> so I can't
> speak to that point. :P
>
> > Mercurial:
> > Larger user base than Bazaar
> > Closer to Bazaar than git for ease of use
>
> It's probably faster than Bazaar, but it's not as fast as Git. But
> that's not really
> an issue unless your codebase is very large (linux-esque or X-esque
> I guess).
> I did see a Software Engineering PhD presentation this Summer about how
> Hg was chosen over Git because of it's superior scripting ability.
> Hg is written
> in Python, which is a plus. This guy had built commit-hooks and
> checkin-hooks
> to make sure that any code in their repos would pass various units
> tests (and
> actually _build_ :P), which is cool if you're willing to go that far.
>
> > I've seen some comments that Git can track code as it moves
> between files.
> > ?Is this true, and if so, how does this look in practice?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean? Git lets you move or rename a file in
> the repository
> and it is all transparent in the history.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:43:32 -0400
> From: Khalid Baheyeldin <kb at 2bits.com <mailto:kb at 2bits.com>>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>>
> Message-ID:
> <4a9fdc630910050643v4e110bacw82c320a1ef5db9f1 at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:4a9fdc630910050643v4e110bacw82c320a1ef5db9f1 at mail.gmail.com>>
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> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List
> Account) <
> aklists at mixdown.ca <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca>> wrote:
>
> > On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> > > default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad habit). KDE
> >
> > Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen
> windows open!
> >
>
> Not windows, tabs. The number of Windows is normally around 7 or so.
>
> I said it is a bad habit.
>
> I found myself up to 240 over the weekend, and thought I should weed
> things
> out a bit. Now they are below 200.
> --
> Khalid M. Baheyeldin
> 2bits.com <http://2bits.com>, Inc.
> http://2bits.com
> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.
> Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra
> Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci
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> From: unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca <mailto:unsolicited at swiz.ca>>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] Why does Gnome gets slow over time?
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> Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 10/05/2009 9:43 AM:
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List
> Account)
> > <aklists at mixdown.ca <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca>
> <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca>>> wrote:
> >
> > On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> > > default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad
> habit). KDE
> >
> > Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen
> windows
> > open!
> >
> >
> > Not windows, tabs. The number of Windows is normally around 7 or so.
> >
> > I said it is a bad habit.
> >
> > I found myself up to 240 over the weekend, and thought I should
> weed things
> > out a bit. Now they are below 200.
>
> Is this the beginning of a paradigm shift from people using their
> inboxes as their todo list to using browser tabs?
>
> (Some day I'll get around to reading that article?)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:18:11 -0400
> From: Khalid Baheyeldin <kb at 2bits.com <mailto:kb at 2bits.com>>
> Subject: [kwlug-disc] The browser as the desktop
> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org
> <mailto:kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>>
> Message-ID:
> <4a9fdc630910050718s8312588m6d0087061adf879e at mail.gmail.com
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> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:05 AM, unsolicited <unsolicited at swiz.ca
> <mailto:unsolicited at swiz.ca>> wrote:
>
> > Khalid Baheyeldin wrote, On 10/05/2009 9:43 AM:
> >
> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Andrew Kohlsmith (Mailing List
> Account) <
> >> aklists at mixdown.ca <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca>
> <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca <mailto:aklists at mixdown.ca>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On October 4, 2009 06:24:03 pm Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
> >> > default), or because I have 200+ tabs open (yes, a bad
> habit). KDE
> >>
> >> Holy Flagnog! I thought my wife was bad with a couple dozen
> windows
> >> open!
> >>
> >>
> >> Not windows, tabs. The number of Windows is normally around 7 or so.
> >>
> >> I said it is a bad habit.
> >>
> >> I found myself up to 240 over the weekend, and thought I should weed
> >> things
> >> out a bit. Now they are below 200.
> >>
> >
> > Is this the beginning of a paradigm shift from people using their
> inboxes
> > as their todo list to using browser tabs?
> >
>
> The reason is that for me the browser is the desktop.
>
> It has been like that for a long time for me, ever since I started using
> Yahoo Mail then Gmail then RSS.
>
> Too much stuff comes via that RSS channel (for which I use Google
> Reader,
> but
> there are many others out there).
>
> The RSS reader becomes yet another inbox with N items waiting to be
> read.
> So, I end up skipping the uninteresting ones and opening the interesting
> ones
> in a tab to read later. After a while you get, well, 240 tabs.
>
> Add to that the fact that I use web based applications, like Gmail,
> Google
> Calendar,
> and yes, the browser has become the desktop. For word processing and
> spreadsheets, I use Open Office, but I don't use any local email or
> calendar
> or contacts application.
>
> Development work is done from ssh via screen.
>
> I know of others who work that way too, with some variations (e.g.
> they are
> designers, so use Mac OS/X and Adobe's programs.
> --
> Khalid M. Baheyeldin
> 2bits.com <http://2bits.com>, Inc.
> http://2bits.com
> Drupal optimization, development, customization and consulting.
> Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. -- Edsger W.Dijkstra
> Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -- Leonardo da Vinci
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> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:48:04 -0400
> From: Darcy Casselman <dscassel at gmail.com <mailto:dscassel at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] DVCS advice needed
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> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Adam Glauser <adamglauser at gmail.com
> <mailto:adamglauser at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I have recently joined a small team of developers working on a
> proprietary
> > C#/ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> application. ?None of us have
> extensive experience with version
> > control, but we want to get started with it.
>
> So no prior experience, and the primary target is .NET development in
> Visual Studio on Windows. Gotcha.
>
> First of all, using *any* source control tool is *much* better than no
> version control. If it comes down it, use Subversion. The tools are
> good and it's very stable. Merges suck, but small teams can avoid
> those. Also, *you* could use Bazaar (possibly git too, but this is
> something Bazaar was built for) with Subversion as a back-end
> repository.
>
> That said, if you're starting fresh, you're right, it makes sense to
> look at DVCS.
>
> If you don't have a lot of knowledge of DVCS, have a look over the
> Eric Sink article: http://www.ericsink.com/entries/dvcs_dag_1.html
> It's much more informative than, say, some video of Linus ranting
> about how git is awesome and everything else sucks. (Eric still comes
> out in favour it git, pretty much).
>
> (And for even more background, you can read his Source Control HOW-TO,
> but that mostly talks about the old, centralized models of version
> control. Still a worthy read.
> http://www.ericsink.com/scm/scm_basics.html )
>
> > After doing some reading, here are my impressions of the three main
> > contenders.
> >
> > Bazaar:
> > Focus on ease of use and flexibility of workflow.
> > Launchpad has been open-sourced, so we could run our own internal
> Launchpad,
> > which seems like a big benefit.
>
> I've been looking into Bazaar, and I like it a lot. Using it on its
> own, it seems perfectly straight-forward and easy to understand. It
> does its best to make you think you're working in the line model, even
> though you have most of the features you'd get from git or Mercurial.
> This is both good and bad. Part of using a DVCS is changing your
> mindset, and Bazaar doesn't demand that of you. If you want to
> pretend you're still using something pretty much like svn, but with
> this extra "push/pull" concept, then you can. That makes it easier
> for new users to grasp, which is good, but it also hides some of the
> value of using a DVCS if your team cares enough to put the effort into
> it.
>
> I like it because, yeah, cross platform support is really good.
> TortoiseBZR (the Explorer extension) is pretty slow, though. It seems
> like a lot of people turn it off. I didn't mind using it too much.
>
> Some big features like rebase are still very new in bzr, and I don't
> know if they're up to what a seasoned git user would expect.
>
> Support in Visual Studio consists of a very alpha integration. It
> works, and does what I want it to do (track adds and renames), but
> it's not easy to get it up and running. There's no binary release at
> the moment, only source.
>
> > Mercurial:
> > Larger user base than Bazaar
> > Closer to Bazaar than git for ease of use
>
> I don't have a lot to say about Mercurial, except that my initial
> impression was that its suppot on Windows was the best of the three.
> It's got an MSSCCI-based integration which isn't the best way to go,
> but probably better than the others have.
>
> > Git:
> > Powerful, but perhaps more complex than necessary.
> > Visual Studio integration by way of Git Extensions.
>
> Others can tell you more about why you should use git than I can. It
> has a lot of cachet, and the people I know who get into it really get
> into it. If you're managing a whole lot of source code coming at you
> from all sorts of directions, it seems like it's the way to go. And
> if you're happy working on the command line, more's the better.
>
> Windows is not a first-class platform for git. And Git Extensions is
> an add-in, which almost certainly doesn't work very well, because the
> add-in interface in Visual Studio is very limited. It's hard to find
> out too much about it without installing it (I don't want to install
> it), because it's lumped into the higher profile Explorer integration,
> which, again, doesn't give me confidence.
>
> > I've seen some comments that Git can track code as it moves
> between files.
> > ?Is this true, and if so, how does this look in practice? ?Can
> the other
> > DVCSes do this?
>
> I know Bazaar can't. I'm skeptical about how well git can.
>
> What makes me skeptical is that I want to run something like 'git
> blame' and see the history of that *file* since it was created, no
> matter how many times it was renamed or moved. I don't see how it can
> do that unless you tell it that that new file in that directory is
> actually that old file in the other directory.
>
> > For the IDE users out there, how important is it for version
> control to be
> > integrated in your experience?
>
> I think it's very important, but then my job for a number of years was
> writing IDE integrations for a proprietary ACM vendor. Most people
> using DVCS seem to think it's unnecessary, and get along happily with
> the command line. Having the IDE tracking adds, deletes, moves and
> renames just makes my life easier, and avoids broken builds when you
> forget to do those things manually. If you can make sure you're
> keeping track of that, then you probably don't need the integration.
>
> I also think it's nice to have visual indications of the state of my
> working copy in the IDE, but that's not that big a deal.
>
> Darcy.
>
>
>
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