[kwlug-disc] DailyTech - Concerned About Privacy? You're Probably up to no Good, Says Google CEO

Bob Jonkman bjonkman at sobac.com
Fri Dec 11 22:39:44 EST 2009

And then I read:

    We don't correlate or combine your information from the temporary or
    permanent logs with any other data that Google might have about your
    use of other services, such as data from Web Search and data from
    advertising on the Google content network.


So, maybe Google isn't so nefarious after all.  But it might be 
interesting to put a Google Alert on that page to see if the contents 
ever gets altered...


Bob Jonkman wrote:
> Raul Suarez wrote:
>>  What about OpenDNS? Any concerns? that's the one I use.
> OpenDNS  redirects invalid lookups to their ad pages, similar to the 
> DNS broken-ness that Rogers perpetrates.  Of course, with the gratis 
> OpenDNS that's expected; viewing those ads pays for their service.  
> Google claims they won't be redirecting invalid lookups (or performing 
> any blocking or filtering)[1], but I fully expect they'll correlate 
> the IPs making DNS requests with the sites they look up, and correlate 
> that with the vast database of user data they already have.  Bad 
> enough Google has a record of every search I ever made, now they'll be 
> getting a record of every IP address I visit.  not just Web, but also 
> MX records, and every FTP, XMPP and NTP lookup too.
> FWIW, I've pointed my router's DNS back to my ISP.
> --Bob.
> [1] 
> http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/12/introducing-google-public-dns-new-dns.html 
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> Raul Suarez wrote:
>>  What about OpenDNS? Any concerns? that's the one I use.
>>  Raul Suarez
>>  Technology consultant Software, Hardware and Practices
>>  _________________ http://rarsa.blogspot.com/ An eclectic collection
>>  of random thoughts
>>  --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Paul Nijjar <paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > From: Paul Nijjar <paul_nijjar at yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc]
>> > DailyTech - Concerned About Privacy? You're Probably up to no Good,
>> > Says Google CEO To: "KWLUG discussion" <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>> > Received: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:38 PM On Thu, Dec 10, 2009
>> > at 09:02:36AM -0500, Kyle Spaans wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Speaking of Nefarious Google, has anyone tried their public
>> >>> DNS? IP addresses of and, real easy to
>> >>> remember.  I pointed my router there yesterday, but I've
>> >>> experienced no observable difference
>> >> My friend benchmarked Google's vs his ISP's name servers and
>> >> "noticed" a savings of a few milliseconds per request! (Wowee!)
>> >> So I guess it depends on what your reaction time is like.
>> > :P
>> > Given the transfer times from websites, I don't think response time
>> > is a good reason to go to Google DNS. People come up with these
>> > timings and I totally don't get why it is relevant to use the
>> > fastest DNS you can. Isn't "fast enough" good enough?
>> >
>> > I surprised myself last night by realizing that I don't mistrust
>> > Google DNS as much as I mistrust pretty much everything else they
>> > do. At least I can come up with a plausible explanation for this
>> > service: Google hates ISPs and is fighting them in the Net
>> > Neutrality wars. Whether through incompetence or malice, ISP DNS
>> > servers already mess up lookups for certain websites (hello
>> > Rogers!). So maybe a well-publicized DNS server that behaves like a
>> > real DNS server keeps the ISPs honest. (Or maybe I'm just
>> > rationalizing the nefariousness.)
>> >
>> > Also, I find it interesting that Google's credibility decreases
>> > among the tech geeks every time they release a new app.
>> >
>> > - Paul
>> >
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